by A John PARKER, Australia
I offer FREE “assistance to beginners” who are researching their background in Ticino with a huge library on details of the migration overseas from Ticino. I can also do paid research for people. I am SWISSGen’s International Coordinator for Ticino Research.
Hi John
Thanks for the email re Peter Yanner in Darwin. In actual fact he is my brother! He also ended up visiting Bosco Gurin a year or 2 after me, and has found some interesting information from our source/relative who lives there most of the year.
Thanks for getting in touch
Fran Mason
Amazing the connections between us all, eh, Fran?! Peter and I met up when he was in Perth about12 years ago and we chatted at length. I’ve since spoken with him on the phone about the material he had on Ticino. At that time it was not long after you folks had lost your other brother and Peter said he thought he might be able to look through the latter’s material to see if there was any data that might be useful in my helping others – but I’ve guessed there wasn’t.
Good luck in your hunting!
A John Parker
Carrociero family in London mid 1800s
Carrocie – Carrocino – Carrociers
Information taken from census 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901
Also BDM records.
1st Generation
Giovanni Carrociero came to London alone some time before 1861 and appears on the 1861 census as ‘John Carrociero’ (b. State of Switzerland, 1834) and residing at 44½ (!) Blackfriars Road, he is listed as an Ice Merchant and residing at the same address is Frances Gianetta (a Servant b. State of Switzerland 1841) an Ice Merchant Assistant.
He appears to have come to London alone as his wife and eldest son, both born in Switzerland, do not appear until the 1871 census, however there is some doubt about this as his eldest child is born in Switzerland in 1865. It would have been financially impossible for him to have returned to Switzerland so there is the possibility his wife and child were deliberately omitted from the census or just not actually on the premises on the night the census was taken.
1871.
502 Mile End Road, Mile End Old Town (MEOT)
Giovanni Carrociero b. 1834 Confectioner
Guidetta (Gindetta) b. 1837/ 38 State of Switzerland d. Watford 1908 aged 70
Rocco b. 1865 State of Switzerland
Francesco Agostino (Francis Augustus) b. June 1868 Camberwell m. Sept 1889 St Saviours Southwall
Verginia (Virginia) Guiseppa b. Dec 1870 MEOT m. Dec 1889 Whitechapel
Lodger; Peter Jones a Draper b. 1829 Wales
1881
486 Mile End Road (Shop)
Giovanni Confectioner
Guidetta
Rocco Shop
Francesco
Virginia
Rosa Patronille (Rose Patronella) b. Dec 1872 MEOT m. Dec 1885 MEOT
Luigi Guiseppo (Louis Joseph) b. Sept 1874 MEOT
Helvetia Maria aka Maria Helvetia b. 1877 MEOT Marries Daniel Gower Dec 1895 Shoreditch
Maria is known in the family as Mary.
1891 both Giovanni and his mother in law have died, the family are still living at 486 Mile End Road with only Guidetta (widow) Confectioner, Rosa, Luigi and Maria at home.
1901
On the night of the 1901 census Guidetta Carrociero (Judetta Carracino) b. 1837 a widow, is listed as an inmate of the MEOT Workhouse. From the entry it can either be assumed that Guidetta never really mastered English or that the person who recorded her details misheard the name. Guidetta dies in 1908 approximately 50 years old.
Master of the Institution Edward Henry Buckeridge.
2nd Generation
Giovanni and Guidetta’s first born son Rocco marries Maria (Marian) Jane Bidward (Bedward) sometime between 1881 and 1891 and is shown in 1891 as follows
1891
165a Strand
Rocco Carrociero b. 1865 Coffee House Restaurant Keeper b. Switzerland – Nat. British Subject
Maria(n) Jane b. 1862/3 Stepney/ Limehouse d. June 1914 Southwark
His Mother in Law Mary Bidward (Bedward) b 1821 Montgomery
and children
Jessie Helveka (Helvetia) b. 1885 m. Mr Slattery at Lambeth in March 1907 and subsequently moves to Canada
Giovannina Guidetta b. June 1887 Stepney
Rocco Ambrose b. March 1889 Strand London m. 1921 Nellie E Batchelder
Adelina Elise b. June 1890
Servants
George and Thomas Murphy b. 1861 Cook b. 1863 Servant shopman
Frederick Thruswell b. 1875 Cook
1901
253 Whitechapel Road
The family are still together and listed with
Rocco’s younger brother Luigi b. 1874 Cook
His Mother in law has died and the servants have left his employ.
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In 1881 and 1891 there is another Carrociero family listed but no relationship has been proved however a relationship seems very likely.
1881
32 Bishopsgate Street
Charles (Carlo) Carrociers Unmarried Confectioner b. 1853 Switzerland
Charles Jaconelli (Juconelli) Confectioner b. 1851
Guiseppe Rapi Married Confectioner b. 1850 Italy (no mention of wife on census)
1891
32 Bishopsgate St Boltophs
Carlo (Charles) Carrociero Coffee Refreshment Salesman b. 1853 Switzerland
d. March 1893 London city
Agostino Barcessa (Boarder) Assistant Coffee Refreshment Salesman b. 1857 Switzerland
Carlo Frusetta (Boarder) -do- b. 1857 Switzerland
George Stanesly (Boarder) -do- b. 1866 England
There are other Carrociero births, deaths and marriages listed since 1901 and I must assume they are related to those described above. There are still Carrocieros in the London phone directory today.
In the Old Bailey Records for 13 July 1909 Rocc(i)o Carrociero of 142 Borough Green High Street was called to give evidence against a man who had passed him a counterfeit half crown
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t19090907-12&div=t19090907-12
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On 27th September 1930 Giovannina Carrociero (Maria’s niece) travelled to Canada to see her older sister.
She travelled 3rd class on the Empress of France and gave her address in England as 233 South Lambeth Road London SW Trade Shop Assistant.
She arrived in Quebec 3rd October 1931 and was logged to be joining her sister Jessis (Helveca) Slattery (Nee Carrociero) at 809 Ashburn Street, Winnipeg, Manitoba and listed her father Rocco as her nearest relative. Rocco’s address was 157 Bishopsgate London. Giovannina’s entry in the records states she was a ‘landed immigrant’ and indicates she was coming to Canada as a ‘Domestic’
She arrived back at Tilbury on the Duchess of York from Montreal in September 1931 having been away from home for a year.
Taken from the emigration records Ancestry.co.uk.
My mother (Daniel and Maria’s daughter) remembers relatives coming from Canada to visit Maria, my mother thinks she was about 8 or 9 so this might have been soon after Giovannina came back.
The family all thought of Maria (Mary) as Italian however the records show she was Swiss Italian, from that area in Switzerland many, many people left in the mid 1800s to escape the crippling poverty in the area at the time.
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/specials/swiss-italian_migrations/index.html?siteSect=22500
Helvetia Maria aka Maria Helvetia aka Mary, born in 1877 married Daniel Gower Dec 1895 Shoreditch
My great Grandmother and Grandfather
Trudi Leach nee Hand
Do you have any records at all of these names?
I could really use some help finding info on my grandmothers family that immigrated to America in the late 1800’s I believe. I have found two spellings of their last name which is either DeSignori or DeSignore. I have heard they were from Lugano and quite possibly had some issue with the Catholic Church there. Thats all I know. Thank you.
Greetings Clayton – I cannot find reference to either surname migrating to Australia/NZ or to North America (as in the USA) in my reference books here. So, I suggest that you go onto the SWISSgen website (http://www.eye.ch/swissgen/gener-e.htm) and put out a call for some other help.
As you are unsure of their actual origin, it is possible that your forebears where, in fact, ‘Italian’-Italians and not ‘Swiss’-Italians – if that is the case, then you need to be researching within Italy (whose research is not connected in any way with Switzerland’s).
Hello Trudi – re the UK, contact Angie BALLARD – a.ballard@ntlworld.com for she will have details of how to contact Peter Barber – he, and his two books may be somewhat useful to you – they are “Continental Taste” Ticinesi Emigrants … in Britain” and “125 Years of Unione Ticinesi’ – I also have some files I can send you for reseaarch in the UK if you send me your e-mail address.
Hi
Thank you for your offer of files, my email address is trudileach@yahoo.co.uk, I will indeed contact Angie Ballard, thank you so much for the information
Regards Trudi
Hello John,
I am attempting to research my husband’s Swiss genealogy. His father was Rinaldo Traversi born in Cevio, Canton Ticino in October 1897. His paternal grandfather, Eliseo Traversi, migrated to the Petaluma California area somewhere about 1878 or so. He was listed in the Petaluma, Sonoma County census of 1880. Eliseo returned to Cevio after spending only 5 years in California and married Clelia Respini. Eliseo’s father’s name was Giacomo. Any info or suggestions you can give me on both the Traversi and Respini families will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much.
Greetings Myrna – RESPINIs came here to Australia and went to the USA from Cevio. E-mail me direct at ajohnp@bigpond.com and I will send you some files on the Ticinesi in USA – unfortunately, I have no Swiss B/D/M records here in Perth. Also check the Swiss White Pages for RESPINIs there in Ticino today – then write to ALL you find (in Italian) and you might be surprised – you only want the one who is researching to answer you and work alongside you in your mutual research. I’ve done just that in no less than three different countries looking for my relatives and it’s VERY exciting to discover one who’ll correspond and help.
bonjour
je suis à la recherche mes ancetres, TAMAGNI michel né debut 1800 et marié à ZOPPI jeanne née en 1805 et decedée en 1874 ils ont eu TAMAGNI charles né le 21 novembre 1830 à st antoine dans le tessin et decede en 1886 et TAMAGNI michel né le 4 avril 1826 tous deux ce sont mariés en france l’un dans la meuse et l’autre dans la marne.
j’ai les actes de mariages pour les deux.je descends de TAMAGNI charles.
mon nom de famille à perdu le I pour le Y à la naissance de ma grand mere le 26 decembre 1913.
je dois avoir dans mon arbre 40 personnes qui descendent de TAMAGNI michel.
je suis aussi en contact avec d’autre personnes qui descendent de TAMAGNI michel en france et en belgique.
pourrais je avoir un acte de naissance ou mariage numerisé de TAMAGNI michel ainsi que les actes de naissance de TAMAGNI charlesné le 26 novembre 1830 et de TAMAGNI michel né le 4 avril 1826.
cela pourrait affiné mes recherches sur des personnes en belgique.
cordialement frederic tamagny
Hi John
I am off to Switzerland/Ticinio area next year to try to find my gt grandfather’s family.
All I know is from a death certificate that his name was Vincent Henry Monzetti also recorded as Vincenzo Enrico Monzzettee. I did put a blog on in 2009 and a gentleman said the name was Enrico Vincenzo Mozzetti and both the Mozzetti and Gamboni family (his mothers maiden name ) are originally fromthe small village of the Verzasca Valley called Vogorno he also suggested i try the Swiss phone book. Do you have any info on how to get there and how to go about the research i need to do. Is there a reliable researcher in the area. In 1986 we left money for research but never heard from any one. Can you help me or not.
Regards
Pam Yates
Hi Again John
I just remembered a Professor J Gentilli produced a book via the University of WA where he is/was employed. It is called The Settlement of Swiss Ticino Immigrants in Australia and I found it extremly valuable for researchers.
Regards Pam
Greetings Pam – e-mail me direct at ajohnp@bigpond.com and I will send you some files to answer most of the questions you’ve asked. Are you resident in Australia, the USA or another place? I need to know, so as to send you the appropriate files. You will find details of Dr Gentilli’s book in the “Australia” file I will send you. A John Parker